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		<title>Comment on Prayer for Hong Kong UBF by briank</title>
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		<dc:creator>briank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 10:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admin Note: Today I made some edits to this article per the request of HK Exodus, in order to clarify the point about the ancestor of faith issue.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by HKUBF</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>HKUBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David Bychkov,

You can first use the following authority abuse checklist to check if you and your leaders have the dictatorship problems:
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=730&amp;Itemid=8&amp;limit=1&amp;limitstart=5

Q1.	Do you mean that everyone in UBF should repent in dictatorlike leadership etc? 
Ans 1:	The dictatorship and manipulative hierarchy is starting from Directors. If the Directors refuse to change &amp; repent, it is no use for the rest UBFers to repent because even though they repent, they can do nothing.

Q2.	So everyone who still in UBF is guilty in those practices? 
Ans 2: UBF Directors and leaders should feel guilty in those practices (dictatorship and manipulative). I think everyone who still in UBF may use the above checklist to evaluate himself/herself. If they find themselves having these practices, it’s a good starting for them to feel guilty for those practices. Feeling guilty drives them to voice out their contradiction problems to the leaders, the cults concerning groups and the public, so that they can get help eventually.

Q3.	So there is no other ways to communicate with anyone in UBF without calling them to repent?
Ans 3:  I wrote many many letters to communicate with the Directors who in-charge of establishing this hierarchy, but they refused to communicate with me for solving the dictatorship and manipulative problems. So I would say: there are no proper ways to communicate with UBF Directors for dealing with dictatorship and manipulative issues, so they are called to repent.

Conclusion: UBF Director(s) should face their own dictatorship and manipulative problems, rather than shirking their responsibility to “EVERYONE” who still in UBF. As a leader, these are extremely irresponsible behaviors. “EVERYONE” who still in UBF does not need to be as a shield and excuse for the leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David Bychkov,</p>
<p>You can first use the following authority abuse checklist to check if you and your leaders have the dictatorship problems:<br />
<a href="http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=730&#038;Itemid=8&#038;limit=1&#038;limitstart=5" rel="nofollow">http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=730&#038;Itemid=8&#038;limit=1&#038;limitstart=5</a></p>
<p>Q1.	Do you mean that everyone in UBF should repent in dictatorlike leadership etc?<br />
Ans 1:	The dictatorship and manipulative hierarchy is starting from Directors. If the Directors refuse to change &amp; repent, it is no use for the rest UBFers to repent because even though they repent, they can do nothing.</p>
<p>Q2.	So everyone who still in UBF is guilty in those practices?<br />
Ans 2: UBF Directors and leaders should feel guilty in those practices (dictatorship and manipulative). I think everyone who still in UBF may use the above checklist to evaluate himself/herself. If they find themselves having these practices, it’s a good starting for them to feel guilty for those practices. Feeling guilty drives them to voice out their contradiction problems to the leaders, the cults concerning groups and the public, so that they can get help eventually.</p>
<p>Q3.	So there is no other ways to communicate with anyone in UBF without calling them to repent?<br />
Ans 3:  I wrote many many letters to communicate with the Directors who in-charge of establishing this hierarchy, but they refused to communicate with me for solving the dictatorship and manipulative problems. So I would say: there are no proper ways to communicate with UBF Directors for dealing with dictatorship and manipulative issues, so they are called to repent.</p>
<p>Conclusion: UBF Director(s) should face their own dictatorship and manipulative problems, rather than shirking their responsibility to “EVERYONE” who still in UBF. As a leader, these are extremely irresponsible behaviors. “EVERYONE” who still in UBF does not need to be as a shield and excuse for the leaders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by Jae</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 20:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yoon, stop it. You&#039;re main purpose here is trying to protect UBF as much as you can. I&#039;m not going to be sending anything to that email. I don&#039;t want to share only with you, I want everybody&#039;s opinion and to discuss it openly and for everybody to see, that&#039;s the whole point of the internet, my friend.

Here&#039;s a better idea. If you&#039;re so committed to dealing with conflicts and problems that arise in UBF, why don&#039;t you personally contact the leaders in UBF and ask them persistently to address the issues you see on this site. Instead of asking people to funnel their issues to that email, so it will go there instead of a public domain. 

Also stop trying to demean the posters here. You say that we&#039;re expressing ourselves for psychological cathartic reasons, and that we&#039;re &quot;angrily blogging&quot;. No John Yoon, we&#039;re trying to address very serious issues that we&#039;ve had to deal with in our lives - and are trying to help change. 

&quot;Make no doubt about that&quot;. Is this a threat or something? ahahahahahah. you are a funny man John Yoon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Yoon, stop it. You&#8217;re main purpose here is trying to protect UBF as much as you can. I&#8217;m not going to be sending anything to that email. I don&#8217;t want to share only with you, I want everybody&#8217;s opinion and to discuss it openly and for everybody to see, that&#8217;s the whole point of the internet, my friend.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a better idea. If you&#8217;re so committed to dealing with conflicts and problems that arise in UBF, why don&#8217;t you personally contact the leaders in UBF and ask them persistently to address the issues you see on this site. Instead of asking people to funnel their issues to that email, so it will go there instead of a public domain. </p>
<p>Also stop trying to demean the posters here. You say that we&#8217;re expressing ourselves for psychological cathartic reasons, and that we&#8217;re &#8220;angrily blogging&#8221;. No John Yoon, we&#8217;re trying to address very serious issues that we&#8217;ve had to deal with in our lives &#8211; and are trying to help change. </p>
<p>&#8220;Make no doubt about that&#8221;. Is this a threat or something? ahahahahahah. you are a funny man John Yoon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by David Bychkov</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bychkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 18:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi HK. Just to clarify, do you mean that everyone in UBF should repent in dictatorlike leadership etc? So everyone who still in UBF is guilty in those practices? So there is no other ways to communicate with anyone in UBF without calling them to repent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi HK. Just to clarify, do you mean that everyone in UBF should repent in dictatorlike leadership etc? So everyone who still in UBF is guilty in those practices? So there is no other ways to communicate with anyone in UBF without calling them to repent?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by HKUBF</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>HKUBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 16:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your so-called “correction” is very cunning, you are not really facing &amp; repenting the sins of dictatorship and manipulative hierarchy of UBF. But just correcting something trivial, like “ignoring” or “not ignoring others”, “praying for me” or “pray for others”.

If you really want to make others feel better, you should share your testimony of how you or the directors use hierarchy to manipulate the others and repent. And write clearly the prayer topics on how UBF Directors should repent. Anyway, I have mercy on you and I will continuous to pray for you so that you can see cunning, lying, manupulating, hiddening the facts, claiming to be others’ parents are filled in UBF Utopia and they are really sins against God.

 “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”  “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. (Acts 9:4-5)

Dear John Y, I still have hope on you in Jesus:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe7OruLk8I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your so-called “correction” is very cunning, you are not really facing &amp; repenting the sins of dictatorship and manipulative hierarchy of UBF. But just correcting something trivial, like “ignoring” or “not ignoring others”, “praying for me” or “pray for others”.</p>
<p>If you really want to make others feel better, you should share your testimony of how you or the directors use hierarchy to manipulate the others and repent. And write clearly the prayer topics on how UBF Directors should repent. Anyway, I have mercy on you and I will continuous to pray for you so that you can see cunning, lying, manupulating, hiddening the facts, claiming to be others’ parents are filled in UBF Utopia and they are really sins against God.</p>
<p> “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”  “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. (Acts 9:4-5)</p>
<p>Dear John Y, I still have hope on you in Jesus:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe7OruLk8I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbe7OruLk8I</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by John Y</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1335</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I have to say that I take offense at your characterization that I&#039;m &quot;lazy.&quot; I&#039;m actually VERY lazy. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I have to say that I take offense at your characterization that I&#8217;m &#8220;lazy.&#8221; I&#8217;m actually VERY lazy. :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by John Y</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - I stand corrected. Still on &quot;blogging&quot; break. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; I stand corrected. Still on &#8220;blogging&#8221; break. :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by John Y</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HKUBF - you&#039;re absolutely right. I haven&#039;t honestly faced the problems of reality as you experienced. And I stand corrected: I&#039;m not just praying for you but for myself and for UBF directors. I&#039;m taking a break from blogging but I wanted to express this so you didn&#039;t feel I was ignoring your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HKUBF &#8211; you&#8217;re absolutely right. I haven&#8217;t honestly faced the problems of reality as you experienced. And I stand corrected: I&#8217;m not just praying for you but for myself and for UBF directors. I&#8217;m taking a break from blogging but I wanted to express this so you didn&#8217;t feel I was ignoring your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by John Y</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 13:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris and Vitaly - I wanted to express that I would be really upset as well if what you experienced had also happened to me. I&#039;m sorry that you had to go through that. As Brian mentioned, I&#039;m taking a break from blogging but I wanted to at least share this so you didn&#039;t think I was ignoring all your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris and Vitaly &#8211; I wanted to express that I would be really upset as well if what you experienced had also happened to me. I&#8217;m sorry that you had to go through that. As Brian mentioned, I&#8217;m taking a break from blogging but I wanted to at least share this so you didn&#8217;t think I was ignoring all your comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Challenge by briank</title>
		<link>http://www.priestlynation.com/challenge#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>briank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many people have written private and open letters to Samuel Lee over the decades...&quot;

My point exactly, Chris! For me, I&#039;ve been through these issues numerous times, every 3 or 4 years since I first attended UBF in 1987. All kinds of reform and change, subtle and bold, have been attempted. At one point I even defended UBF ideology &quot;absolutely&quot; :)

Still, UBF idealogy remains the same, and advancing the UBF heritage remains the &quot;prime directive&quot;, in place of God&#039;s prime directive to advance the gospel and be built into a living community as part of His kingdom.

What is different this time? We are different. I believe we are in a unique position on this blog to connect the dots of publicly available information, connecting people around the world until our voice is heard and causes action. 

Since as of 2012 there still is no &quot;back door&quot; in UBF ideology to leave UBF freely, we all need to face the fact that the entire back wall may collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many people have written private and open letters to Samuel Lee over the decades&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My point exactly, Chris! For me, I&#8217;ve been through these issues numerous times, every 3 or 4 years since I first attended UBF in 1987. All kinds of reform and change, subtle and bold, have been attempted. At one point I even defended UBF ideology &#8220;absolutely&#8221; :)</p>
<p>Still, UBF idealogy remains the same, and advancing the UBF heritage remains the &#8220;prime directive&#8221;, in place of God&#8217;s prime directive to advance the gospel and be built into a living community as part of His kingdom.</p>
<p>What is different this time? We are different. I believe we are in a unique position on this blog to connect the dots of publicly available information, connecting people around the world until our voice is heard and causes action. </p>
<p>Since as of 2012 there still is no &#8220;back door&#8221; in UBF ideology to leave UBF freely, we all need to face the fact that the entire back wall may collapse.</p>
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